ronl wrote:Mike after 1 year of writing my memories it seems easier to do this, anyway I was hoping you would help. My memories are your memories. I hope you do not mind but I mentioned you and will do so through the writings.

Ron, your welcome to use my name and anything I've posted.
If you need help and I can give it, that's fine.

This is a book update,
I have been in contact with a researcher in the health field and a writer, he is looking over all my material and we have a tentative agreement that he will co-write the book over a 1 year period.
Greg ask me not to post any more on the net so we have a little something extra for the story. I will continue answering questions but as for my book writings I will put it on hold.
I first met Greg 6 months ago when he contacted me about our dental health at TCSH for a book he was co-writing about health practices in instutions in the past century.

Greg will give me an answer within 1 week.

ron I have been unable to log in at Hall 18 for over 2 weeks...have I been banned?

I was in the process of moving to a brand new server and this isn't easy, thats why you had problems getting to http://www.hall-18.com

When do you think the book will be done? I would like to get one when it is.

The deal I made with Greg is over a 1 year period, he has other projects and this is one of his specialities, researching mental health pratices of the past century, he wants to visit TCSH in the summer and do some research also.

Ronl, I would really like to read the book but can not get onto the website of Hall 18 - it just keeps on sying Forbiddenlm you do not have permission to access? Any other way I could get to see it, find your story very interesting and would hate to not hear the rest - whats in the book and on the Hall 18 site

I have high security on my new server unless I know your IP address or ISP it is impossable to help.

Greg the new writer has gave me the nod, he is onboard and will write the book, stay tuned.

Hey there. Its been a while since I pipped up in here, so I don't expect that you folks will remember me too well but I'm still reading.

Ron, its a shame that you are having so many troubles finding a writer to help edit and arrange your memoirs. If I may be so bold, should this new person you have found not come through for you, I would very much like to send you a sample of my writing.

I have never edited a memoir before, but have professional business and screenplay editing experience. Narrative non-fiction is my passion and I would be honored to help you bring your story to the world should the planets - once again - not align for you and your current writer.

What I never understood was:
I always thought a"court order" was for juveniles. I was no juvenile at home. I never had time to get into trouble.

I had intended to comment on this earlier but I got so wrapped up in your stories and processes it slipped my mind until tonight.

A court order is a proclamation of a judge that is legally binding. If a person goes against a court order they can be held in contempt of court and fined or jailed accordingly. They apply to every court decision that requires an individual or individuals to do or not do something. Example: a restraining order is a court order, a divorce settlement award is a court order. (Also, a juvenile is just a young person under 18- delinquent or not.)

Chances are, (since I am unable to access older law codes to see exactly what was on the books in MI at that time) you were deemed either mentally or physically developmentally disabled by the court and were remanded to State guardianship (guardian ad litem) and admitted to a hospital when the court deemed that your family was unsuitable for caring for your particular needs. You can read more about current laws for MI state here:
http://www.kalcounty.com/courts/probate/guard-dd.htm

And here is an example of the law (this is for Ohio however):
5123.74 Emergency institutionalization by probate court.

(A) On receipt of an affidavit under section 5123.71 of the Revised Code, the probate division of the court of common pleas may, if it has probable cause to believe that the person named in the affidavit is a mentally retarded person subject to institutionalization by court order and that emergency institutionalization is required, do any of the following:

(1) Issue a temporary order of detention ordering any health or police officer or sheriff to take into custody and transport such person to an institution or other place as designated in section 5123.77 of the Revised Code;

(2) Order the county board of developmental disabilities to provide services to the individual in the community if the board’s assessment of the individual conducted under section 5123.711 of the Revised Code identifies that resources are available to meet the individual’s needs in an appropriate manner within the community as an alternative to institutionalization;

(3) Set the matter for further hearing.

(B) A managing officer of a nonpublic institution may, and the managing officer of a public institution shall, receive for observation, diagnosis, habilitation, and care any person whose admission is ordered pursuant to division (A)(1) of this section.

The alternatives to institutionalization that may be ordered under division (A)(2) of this section are limited to those that are necessary to remediate the emergency condition; necessary for the person’s health, safety or welfare; and necessary for the protection of society, if applicable.

(C) A person detained under this section may be observed and habilitated until the probable cause hearing provided for in section 5123.75 of the Revised Code. If no probable cause hearing is requested or held, the person may be evaluated and shall be provided with habilitative services until the full hearing is held pursuant to section 5123.76 of the Revised Code.

I hope that helps you mk.

All I can say is, I was no juvenile delinquent. I was raised on a Dairy farm. I worked on the farm and went to school.
I believe that there was such thing as "voluntary admittance". (Under Parent and Doctor decision/agreement) and possibly some court or state approval.(?) (because it was a State not local Hospital)
I wasn't in there under a court order because when they got tired of my running away after afew years, they called my Mother and released me.
I was diagnose with epilepsy at the aqe of 5-6. Epilepsy was treated like lepracy back then.

I understand what your trying to say
I really appreciate all of your detailed explanations.

The alternatives to institutionalization that may be ordered under division (A)(2) of this section are limited to those that are necessary to remediate the emergency condition; necessary for the person’s health, safety or welfare; and necessary for the protection of society, if applicable.

Mags:
This one may be more fitting.
Because later in life I wondered if my Mother put me in TCSH to get me away from my Step Father. He was an abusive SOB and him hitting me in the head may have cause the epilepsy.
That's not an accusation, it's just an unproven possibility.

Mags, thanks for the offer,Greg the new writer, is a real Pro in the medical field, who writes for profit, he took 2 weeks and did his research and crunched the numbers before he signed on. I first met him 6+ months ago when he was doing research on a book with 2 other Dr's on medical practices in intuitions of the 20th century. I know this time the book will get written, heck the first chapter is already written.

mk:
I hope that you remember more about what your family might have said regarding their reasons for your admittance. I can only imagine how not knowing would have driven me right up the wall in your situation. Throughout my own childhood I saw many such cases of children admitted quickly to hospitals to keep them away from abusive parents. They were not, however, left there for long except for a very few individuals. As a child protection social worker, my mother (who shared too much with me, in retrospect, perhaps) would tell me similar stories to some that I have read in this forum. I'm glad for you that you have found some more information since that first post. Did you ever get a chance to see your medical or release records?

Ron:
Yes, I read all that I could find on your other website. I'm very happy for you that you were able to make a connection with a reliable writer as I look forward to reading that book, and have since you first mentioned your desire to write one. When I read that you were writing a book earlier in the forum posts I ran out to Amazon and looked everywhere for your memoirs, but only found a book of photography about TCSH!
I know you had said Greg asked you not to share any more stories here, but I wondered if you could remember certain things better than others. With your love of music, did sounds stand out more to you than smells or images?