Postby mkfarnam on Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:47 pm

djp59 wrote:You are such strong people for telling your story. Do you feel like the "shame", was something you still deal with, does telling your story help that? Do you find there are still times you feel like the children you were back then?
For Mike and Ron, do either of you have children?


Thank You djp59:
I think shame is what kept me quiet about this in later life.
In fact I still feel embarressed about it. I don't think that will ever go away.
Once I left tcsh, it was never brought up again with my family or anyone. Life went on.
None of my family or relatives knew and still don't know what went on during that time.
Until 2004, I hadn't seen most of my brothers and sisters for over 30 years. I was in Ca, they were in Mi. and Oh.
Within the last 30 days, I've posted a video and a link to this forum on my facebook page for some brothers,sisters and cousins, who are on there, to read.(if interested)(?).
I still don't think I could talk face to face with anyone about traverse city state hospital, unless maybe the other person approached me about it.
I still have that "shut out" feeling about it.

I don't have any kid's. I had (like) a common law marrage for 21 years in Ca. Her family and her 2 kids(Kris and Carri) were like a family to me. They can be found on my facebook page.

I don't know about Ron, but if it wasn't for the internet, my time in tcsh would still be locked in silence.

Not just the internet, it took everyone here posting with intrest and concern and I Thank You all very much for this.
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Postby mkfarnam on Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:16 pm

In the early 80's before I was self employed, I drove by
"Patton State Hospital" every day on my way to work.
Patton is well know because it's been featured in several movies as a Hospital for the criminally Insane.

http://www.asylumprojects.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=430

http://www.dmh.ca.gov/Services_and_Prog ... sp#history
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Postby ronl on Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:58 am

Whenever TCSH was mentioned throughout my life it was like a hammer hitting me.
I did not understand the "SHAME" until recently. I did not realize what I felt was "SHAME", I am now over it and can talk freely about it. I no longer have "SHAME" in the same sentence as Traverse City State Hospital.
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As to going back there as children, I would say yes, I go there in my mind daily not as an adult but as a child. I still see things during my visits to TCSH at the 5 foot level.
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Do I have children, well I think there is 1 from 1968/69 but I cannot confirm it.

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Postby ronl on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:46 am

I am wondering if any readers are a psychiatrist and have kept quiet all this time. I sure would like to ask a few questions of you.
It is important to me that you be a psychiatrist.
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Postby djp59 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:58 am

Thank you for your responses. What a hard thing you guys have had to deal with. It's amazing to me because you are both so honest and forthcoming with your experiences. I don't think I can say enough how strong I think you both are.

Your experiences make me appreciate being able to raise my son in a time when, god knows things aren't perfect, but as he grows, if he has any difficulties there are better options then what was available for you guys.

That's why I asked about kids...for me the connection to this story is my child and doing everything I can to protect him and make sure he doesn't have to see the bad side of the world...at least as long as I can make that possible.

Postby djp59 on Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:04 am

I just listened to the song....wow...awesome..what a great way to express your feelings...very impressive!!

 

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Postby okie on Thu Nov 19, 2009 7:48 pm

Mike you and Ron are among the bravest people I have seen on the net! To come here on a Public Forum takes a lot of guts! But I am so glad you are able to post here and at Hall 18 Forums...I hope this helps you both. I can't wait for the book Ron and thank you and Mike for sharing your experience's. The more you get out the better you will feel...I hope! :)
 

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Postby czechgirl on Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:03 pm

Just want to wish everyone on the forum a Happy Thanksgiving. Also Mike and Ron, what were the holidays like at TCSH? did you get special meals, presents, did your families visit you on these special days.
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Postby ronl on Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:14 pm

On Thanksgiving we had turkey and Christmas we had ham, but it wasn't home style, The cooks did the best they could on a very large scale.
Holidays always depressed me and still do. Our familys could only see us 1 time a month if they chose to do so, we never knew when they would come, so on Sunday we all looked out the window and listened for the phone to ring to see if they called our name. :shock:
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Postby mkfarnam on Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:03 pm

ronl wrote:On Thanksgiving we had turkey and Christmas we had ham, but it wasn't home style, The cooks did the best they could on a very large scale.
Holidays always depressed me and still do. Our familys could only see us 1 time a month if they chose to do so, we never knew when they would come, so on Sunday we all looked out the window and listened for the phone to ring to see if they called our name. :shock:


I'll never forget those Sundays. I remember listening for the phone and being disappointed when it wasn't my visit from home.
My Brother Al and sister Tena said they remember visiting and the long walks up the stairs.
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Postby wilycoyote4 on Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:34 am

A happy Thanksgiving to all readers.
 

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Postby ronl on Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:34 pm

Visiting Hours were from 2 to 4 PM On Sunday once a month.
Depending on your privileges, you either stayed on Hall-18 or go to the canteen, or if you had top privileges you could go off grounds.
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